A Sydney Festival.

General Discussion about the PsyTrance scene, way of life, etc.
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Pete_Paranoid
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It seems to me that we all have uncontrived got quite effective and specialised at what we do. A lot of us own the equipment so it would be surreal if we could open ourselves up and get out of our shells and overcome our differences (myself included totally) and combine our resources and skills to produce a festival for the Sydney region (I include Canberra as the SOS boys usually come to Sydney parties).
I think we could make 50kW+ and multistage system quite cheaply.
If not at an international level of production then at least national.
I think it would be a great way for us to showcase our talent and really positive thing for us once a year.

Any thoughts?

 

Phsiris
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Sounds like a wicked idea.
Summer time fun :)

 

phoney
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define: "quite cheaply"

 

SubStance
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I'm down, but somebody needs to co-ordinate a meeting. And Ego need be left at the door!!!

 

Pete_Paranoid
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This would be a good start!

Obviously, the more syd crews we get on board the cheaper it will be as we could divide the costs and the more resources, skills, performers and volunteers we could organise. This is something not for the immediate future as it would take care and time to properly plan but maybe something to think about in a year or two.

I am confident we could do a reasonable effort at a fair ticket price.

The key is communication. Each crew could nominate/vote a meeting representative and each representative could nominate/vote a meeting chairman (chairperson).

The hardest bit is to get the ball rolling, once there is enough people others would not be so hesitant!

 

jaimz
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In my opinion for a successful festival you'll need:

1. Eight to twelve months of preparation.

2. One person who is considered the festival director and makes the final call on all creative decisions.

3. At least $100,000.

4. To involve authorities at every step.

 

phoney
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5. A wealthy drug dealer to bankroll the project :lol:
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Pete_Paranoid wrote :
It seems to me that we all have uncontrived got quite effective and specialised at what we do. A lot of us own the equipment so it would be surreal if we could open ourselves up and get out of our shells and overcome our differences (myself included totally) and combine our resources and skills to produce a festival for the Sydney region (I include Canberra as the SOS boys usually come to Sydney parties).
I think we could make 50kW+ and multistage system quite cheaply.
If not at an international level of production then at least national.
I think it would be a great way for us to showcase our talent and really positive thing for us once a year.

Any thoughts?


I'm always into the idea of people combining efforts like that.

What you've described sounds a lot like Dragon Dreaming Festival. Multiple promoters & groups & people chipping in (with stages, food, lighting, decor, music), a multi-stage set up, mammoth sound system, well and truly a national level of production, all legit, and all for a relatively cheap ticket price.

 

sci0n
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Sounds just like dragon dreaming.
I think that festival could become something to rival rainbow and the other aussie festivals.

 

Sunrunner
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^ what they said. Dragon Dreaming combined SoS, REGEN, Ixchel and others to make it what it was - and the production level was festival-quality and very professional.

so yes, i think combining efforts to put on a festival is a great idea :)

 

spangk
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yea i'm with ya's on what was said above. I think it's something that's been tried and while there was room for improvement was very rad for a first festival from Sos and those pulled in with them. Like a rolling stone 8)

 

Pete_Paranoid
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I've been working on this idea for many years, and in that time realised this is how many, many large events are made. i much prefer working with promoters that are over 30 as the majority most of the time are more mature and don't get offended so easierly, know who they aren't, and more importantly know who they are.
I saw the photos of Dragon Dreaming and the decor looked fantastic, i also looked at what's on currently with mutli-headliners and felt it the Sydney scene and I is capable for handling such a event as this.
I have raised over the amount of capital Jaimz wrote for funds for my business to continue to operate so I know if worst came to worst I could do it all myself.
But I am not known as a promoter and running parties I have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. While I have tried a few positions and credentials in the entertainment industry, I have a reputation as a stagehand and stage lighting op, I need your reputation in event management.

Please contact me if you are still interested so we can research and discuss this matter further privately.

 

willB3
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SubStance wrote :
I'm down, but somebody needs to co-ordinate a meeting. And Ego need be left at the door!!!

Ego need to be left at the door. that is a classic line. ego is not a dirty word. but !

 

Cyberwlf
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Okay, so i've been away from this all for a bit, but what surprised me here is how the Dragon Festival was organised the same weekend as Beyond Imagination.

Now i've been O/S for ages, but even I knew of Beyond Imagination happening this year well before I heard a peep about the Dragon event. I have friends who were involved with both events, but I was dissapointed to hear about the date clash, something not cool at all in a scene so small, and something which typically results in promoters being more likely to lose money and motivation too.

Now it's awesome in this particular situation both events seemed to go well, but it doesn't change the fact the date clash goes against the idea of unity, the same idea required to pull together what's being discussed here. I think Sydney needs a festival again but I don't think one will succeed till this genre separatist crap is cut and Sydney returns to how it once was with all those up for partying willing to go to the same event, even if it means multiple stages.

But that's my 2c anyhow :P

 

spangk
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There was no genre sepretists crap at all. It was a simple turn of the universe. These things happen at times. As for the *seperatists* talk. It's a figment of many imaginations.

 

Cyberwlf
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I hope you're right, because I always found it depressing seeing time after time crews go to massive effort, big budget etc, but because an event wasn't predominantly supporting a particular style those people would often not bother to support it.

 

rollyz
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Yep! Sydney needs a regular big festival, Since Summer Dreaming folded there was left a big hole. But then, could Dragon Dreaming, or Beyond Imagination fill those shoes? Or are these smaller festivals best at the locatoion and level they are at?

If Sydney gets a new festival, what will be its direction and goals? As we have seen Earthdance has been hijacked by commercialism, authorita's, and other influences. Where would it be held? on a property outside of Sydney, a major park, a beach, the showgrounds? How many day/s will its duration be?

 

The Journey Man Project
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It would be nice to see this come to light as the crews seem to focus on different aspects of the scene, like proggi, full on, suomi and the darker night sounds... to have a festival that covers all these styles, going for a few days ro more, planned nicely so that the music flows creating a journey to suit a more community or lifestyle even would be awesome.

I'd most likely be back in Melbourne by then but would for sure make the journey up for it :D

 

Servants of Sound.
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Cyberwlf I can assure you there was no seperatist crap going on at all. When we started planning Dragon Dreaming, Beyond Imagination was advertised for September. We spent a couple of months sorting out the legals with the ACT Government, the Police and Emergency Services before we annouced our event (a lesson we learned from previous experiences).

As we where ready to annouce Beyond Imagination changed their date. Nothing sinister, just plain bad luck and maybe poor communication between crews. It never occurred to us to check with Travis if he was planning an event that weekend as we thought he was committed to a different date.

Personally I think Dragon Dreaming has the potential to grow into a strong NSW festival and we would love to get more and more people involvecd to do this. The key factor here is our relationship with the authorities. The ACT government is extremely supportive, the ACT police is also extremely supportive.

To grow a really strong local festival we need government support. That support is being shown in the ACT currently both in strong working relationships and potentially next year financially.

An example of this support came from the ACT Police last weekend. They received numerous noise complaints on Saturday night, a combination of weather conditions which carried the sound further than we expected (ie, up to 9 kms) and a mistake by us in placement of one of the stages. But rather than come in all guns blazing they rang us regularly, providing us with information about the location of the complainents and the level and type of noise they where experiencing and gave us lots of time to tweek levels to bring it under control without the crowd even being aware we where doing it.

The timing of Dragon Dreaming is important. The October long weekend is one of the only dates it can be held at the site we used. The reason for this is Canberra weather. Any later in the year and we have a very very high risk of running fowl of bushfire issues as the ACT government is particularly sensitive of fire risk due to the huge fires we had about five years ago. The bushfire issue continues until after Easter. Any earlier in the year and it is simply to cold to hold a major event.

As far as a large Sydney festival is concerned. The biggest issue I see is land. It is extremely hard to get a venue for an all night, mutliple night event close to the city due to noise issues. I would suggest that both Newcastle and Canberra are sensible possible venues for that reason.
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Ugly Bunyip
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The Journey Man Project wrote :
It would be nice to see this come to light as the crews seem to focus on different aspects of the scene, like proggi, full on, suomi and the darker night sounds... to have a festival that covers all these styles, going for a few days ro more, planned nicely so that the music flows creating a journey to suit a more community or lifestyle even would be awesome.

I'd most likely be back in Melbourne by then but would for sure make the journey up for it :D


I do not necessarily agree with you on that. At Dragon Dreaming we had an extremely diverse musical journey ranging from folk, dnb, electro, acid house, minimal, jazz, world beats, down tempo and the full spectrum of psy genres. The Regrowth festival in previous years has also had similar diversity.

 

The Journey Man Project
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ok. Each to their own then.

my point was merely it would be nice to see some of the specialised crews work together to make a festival catered for all tastes.

I wasn't having a go at any one, so no need to put up the defences.

There was not one crew name mentioned in my original post, so no one needed to take it so personally.

 

Ugly Bunyip
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???? Isn't a discussion an extended, interactive conversation with differing points of view being offered. I thought that was what we where having here?

I honestly don't understand how you thought my post was defensive. I was simply offering a point of view.

 

willB3
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Date clash, you got a Iranian or a Californian. You put them together and you have war. Who can taste the difference? Both are pitted and most times if you let people be aware of which is which they pick The Terminator over Ahmadinejad . All Jokes aside two parties on the same night is not enough for Halloween (see Brisbane) wonder if Sydney can beat that number.
5. A wealthy drug dealer to bankroll the project :lol:
obviously competition is out there. Plenty of buyers :lol:

 

The Journey Man Project
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Ugly Bunyip wrote :
???? Isn't a discussion an extended, interactive conversation with differing points of view being offered. I thought that was what we where having here?

I honestly don't understand how you thought my post was defensive. I was simply offering a point of view.


ok my mistake then, sometimes it is hard to tell what a person is trying to convey, I know ;)

Apologies for being over zealous.

 

The Journey Man Project
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