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Dreamthief
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Your hatred for the church is so stupid. :/

 

SamuraiJack
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tripn wrote :
we are talking about holymen/sages. not bible bashers.


You fucking knob. Where do you think holymen/sages were found traditionally in europe eh?

 

ortk_elfer
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Dreamthief wrote :
Wow. Way to miss the point, hippy. Congratulations.


there is no point. there are only chairs.

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Azarias
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You guys are most amusing. Wade Shekinah posted stuff on traditional Catholicism with Gregorian Chant are you guys mocked and slandered him, he who practices the pure most holy and excellent living ancient Catholicism that formed the Saints. YET, when you look at these replies to samuraiJack's criticism, one sees that you are in favour of Sacred Tradition and Gragorian Chant.

I reckon you respect and revere traditional Roman Catholicism yet it makes you dislike what you feel within when you turn you gaze upon the state of your soul. So if anyone mentions sin, Hell, purity, innocence, love, faith, sanctity, Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, you are filled with guilt and loathing, and anger at your habitual iniquity and betrayal of Christ, and have renigged and renounced your supernatural Holy Baptism; thus have thrown away the Pearl of Great Worth and chosen darkness and a life of vainity and pleasing your corrupted flesh. Remember all that Wade spoke about mortal sin, Judgement and Hell, for he told only the simple truth, for which there is no escape.
tinyavian
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Azarias wrote :
You guys are most amusing. Wade Shekinah posted stuff on traditional Catholicism with Gregorian Chant are you guys mocked and slandered him, he who practices the pure most holy and excellent living ancient Catholicism that formed the Saints. YET, when you look at these replies to samuraiJack's criticism, one sees that you are in favour of Sacred Tradition and Gragorian Chant.

I reckon you respect and revere traditional Roman Catholicism yet it makes you dislike what you feel within when you turn you gaze upon the state of your soul. So if anyone mentions sin, Hell, purity, innocence, love, faith, sanctity, Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, you are filled with guilt and loathing, and anger at your habitual iniquity and betrayal of Christ, and have renigged and renounced your supernatural Holy Baptism; thus have thrown away the Pearl of Great Worth and chosen darkness and a life of vainity and pleasing your corrupted flesh. Remember all that Wade spoke about mortal sin, Judgement and Hell, for he told only the simple truth, for which there is no escape.


no offence azarias, but wade basically tried to force his religion with a fanatic's fervor in everyone's face in most of the threads he posted in. what we also get fucked off about is the constant ravings that you and your type spill on to forums that have nothing to do with yours or any religion. if people wanted to read bible and get involved in his religion they'd go to the nearest bookstore/church and get one and start practicing. regardless of what sect it is, the message is still the same no matter how much you argue that it is completely different. i have been on plenty of other forums, most were run by christians but they didn't throw in your face and demand you convert.

on other threads like the Myth of the Inquisition, you state that they were the most enlightened beings in the western world at that time.

Azarias wrote :
By the 14th century, the Inquisition represented the best legal practices available. Inquisition officials were university-trained specialists in law and theology. The procedures were similar to those used in secular inquisitions (we call them "inquests" today, but it's the same word).

The power of kings rose dramatically in the late Middle Ages. Secular rulers strongly supported the Inquisition because they saw it as an efficient way to ensure the religious health of their kingdoms. If anything, kings faulted the Inquisition for being too lenient on heretics. As in other areas of ecclesiastical control, secular authorities in the late Middle Ages began to take over the Inquisition, removing it from papal oversight.


lets discuss the facts about your religion.
1.majority of the of most clergymen in that day, in any country were mainly from the nobility. if they weren't they were at least from wealthy families. you fail to mention this little fact many times.

2. religion was and still is used as a means of controlling, manipulating and influencing people on a massive scale. the few who were smart and dumb enough to question these people were singled out and how would you put it....? that's right, 'brought back into the light' very brutally in that day. to say they did nothing of the sort makes you look to be retarded as there is massive amounts of evidence depicting on what is going on. because people now are able to think for themselves (albeit slightly on a grand scale) we aren't as gullible due to the majority of people being given an education

3. to say that corruption of any kind of any kind did not exist makes you a very naive person. even now there is corruption in any large organisation be it religion, government or corporation. catholic priests have been molesting little boys for ages, its only recently that the victims of this atrocity and i will say that, have been given the courage to speak up about it. what did the church do? they paid the victims and their families off with large amounts of money. in the days of the good ol' inquisition they would have been silenced. permanently. i have even had reports of 'devout muslims' drinking, smoking and even demanding that the man's wife 'service' him and his friends. to be human is to have both good and evil in you. to be wise is know it and recognise it in others.

4. users have commented that the chants that the monks perform were pleasing to the ear. samurai jack commented on the hypocrisy of your religion, as they shout the loudest how 'pure, just and good' they are. the rants are getting old very fast. people now don't care what religion is the true one as there is no evidence to back it up. and saying the bible is evidence is, dare i say it bullshit. the bible was written by man, as was every 'holy' book of any religion. doesn't matter how much 'divine inspiration' the bloke had, (they were probably high anyway) it was still written by man.

(to other users please note i am generalising in this paragraph when i say we)

we don't revere any religion but we do accept them as a guide in both good and bad times. if you read pass the crap and verbal jerking off, we acknowledge the wisdom they carried and passed down to younger generations. what we are tired of is the opportunists that sucker the dumb schmucks of their hard earned cash so they can drive around in BMW's whilst they are saying they live a humble life with no luxuries.

come on man, wake up and smell the roses not the shit that they grow from.
Azarias
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1.majority of the of most clergymen in that day, in any country were mainly from the nobility. if they weren't they were at least from wealthy families. you fail to mention this little fact many times.
I don't know where you get that groudless idea from, since most belong to Orders that take the solemn vow of poverty, owning only their cassocks or habits, Brevery, and Rosary, and were supported purely by God's Providence.

"Be not solicitous therefore, saying, What shall we eat: or what shall we drink, or wherewith shall we be clothed?
For after all these things do the heathens seek. For your Father knoweth that you have need of all these things.
Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you."(Matt 6:31-33)

Read the history of the Franciscan Friars, or the Dominicans, or the Carmalites and tell me if they were wealthy. The ones who came from wealthy families gave up everything to follow and imitate Christ and to work out their salvation.

You are mistaken in all your assessments. And by the way, you guys write posts on a myriad things and have opinions on all-but everything whether you know what you're talking about or not, so also I express (in picking up where Wade left off) the most interesting, beautiful, awesome and fulfilling knowledge in the universe. If you say these are not wanted here, then tell me how you justify the wantedness of all the other posts in this "Off Topic" section?

It is interesting to note: When reading some of the old threads and posts from 2005-2006 one can clearly see, when comparing these posts to the same person's posts now, a degradation and hardening of heart, a falling into greater vice and denial and blasphemy against God - their Sovereign Good. So in view of this steady corruption and unrest we can thus gather that this present course of life is of discontentment, unrest, death and darkness; a gradual spiritual suicide; a remedy for which cannot ever be found in New Age and pagan idolatry and self-glorification in unlawful pleasures of the flesh (soon to die and rot, interred in the dark cold earth), a life wasted based on sensual pleasure and profane hilarity.
And there shall be weeping and gnashong of teeth...


PS

The Holy Roman Catholic Church (Called thus because Saint Peter (the first Pope whom Christ had given the supreme majesterial authority to "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt 16:18) and Saint Paul were martyred there in the very beginnings of Christianity) is the only true Religion, all other forms of 'christianity' are either heretical or apostate sects which 90% came into being between the 16th and 20th centuries. And the idolatrous pagan 'religions' like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Saivism, Kabbalistic esoteric Judaism (derived from occultic Hermetic Egyption mystical schools), etc, are heathen Luciferean schools of ancient occultism, in which one cannot be Redeemed, Sanctified and Saved; Salvation can only be had through contrition, repentance, Baptism in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost through the infinite merits of Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour in His divinely instituted Church (the one and only Divine Institution). Original Sin and actual sin can only be washed from one's soul by the Precious Blood of the Lamb of God who takest away the sins of the world. And if one wants to realize and experience true wisdom, holiness and spiritual perfection one must imitate Our Lord just as the Saints did (which is what formed them into Saints, by the Light and Love of Holy Spirit)
Azarias
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4. users have commented that the chants that the monks perform were pleasing to the ear.

All traditional orders chant prayers and hymns in Gregorian Chant. The priestly orders such as the Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) chant their Divine Office daily in Gregorian Chant and also offer Mass every Sunday sung in Chant. The whole Roman Catholic Church all over the world chanted in Gregorian Chant before the Second Vatican Council (the worst thing to happen to the Church since the Arian Heresy in the 4th century). However, it can be found expressed in utter beauty in monastic orders that when one hears traditional Nuns sinf the Office it sounds like something from Heaven. Gregorian Chant is very soothing because it is the worshipping of God in (Liturgical Latin) by those who truly live and breath the holy life of pure Christianity. These prayers and psalms are blessed and one's soul responds to that which is of God. Gregorian Chant is an inspiration from God Himself.












If you want to hear Gregorian Chant live come to Holy Mass every Thursday evening 7pm at the Maternal Heart of Mary Chapel in Lewisham, or on Sundays 10:30 am. This Chapel is very old and beautiful, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is celebrated by the Traditional holy Priests of the Fraternity of St Peter
Pete_Paranoid
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Azarias wrote :
You guys are most amusing. Wade Shekinah posted stuff on traditional Catholicism with Gregorian Chant are you guys mocked and slandered him, he who practices the pure most holy and excellent living ancient Catholicism that formed the Saints. YET, when you look at these replies to samuraiJack's criticism, one sees that you are in favour of Sacred Tradition and Gragorian Chant.

I reckon you respect and revere traditional Roman Catholicism yet it makes you dislike what you feel within when you turn you gaze upon the state of your soul. So if anyone mentions sin, Hell, purity, innocence, love, faith, sanctity, Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, you are filled with guilt and loathing, and anger at your habitual iniquity and betrayal of Christ, and have renigged and renounced your supernatural Holy Baptism; thus have thrown away the Pearl of Great Worth and chosen darkness and a life of vainity and pleasing your corrupted flesh. Remember all that Wade spoke about mortal sin, Judgement and Hell, for he told only the simple truth, for which there is no escape.


WAKE THE FUCK UP WADE! I have Tibetan Mantra, Ahm, Runes and Griffin tattoos, doesn't mean I believe in them, but they are a part of my own personal history and EVOLUTION!
Re:"There's more than one way to skin a cat, Richard Dawkins, etc."
Pete_Paranoid
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Azarias wrote :
1.majority of the of most clergymen in that day, in any country were mainly from the nobility. if they weren't they were at least from wealthy families. you fail to mention this little fact many times.
I don't know where you get that groudless idea from, since most belong to Orders that take the solemn vow of poverty, owning only their cassocks or habits, Brevery, and Rosary, and were supported purely by God's Providence.

"Be not solicitous therefore, saying, What shall we eat: or what shall we drink, or wherewith shall we be clothed?
For after all these things do the heathens seek. For your Father knoweth that you have need of all these things.
Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you."(Matt 6:31-33)

Read the history of the Franciscan Friars, or the Dominicans, or the Carmalites and tell me if they were wealthy. The ones who came from wealthy families gave up everything to follow and imitate Christ and to work out their salvation.

You are mistaken in all your assessments. And by the way, you guys write posts on a myriad things and have opinions on all-but everything whether you know what you're talking about or not, so also I express (in picking up where Wade left off) the most interesting, beautiful, awesome and fulfilling knowledge in the universe. If you say these are not wanted here, then tell me how you justify the wantedness of all the other posts in this "Off Topic" section?

It is interesting to note: When reading some of the old threads and posts from 2005-2006 one can clearly see, when comparing these posts to the same person's posts now, a degradation and hardening of heart, a falling into greater vice and denial and blasphemy against God - their Sovereign Good. So in view of this steady corruption and unrest we can thus gather that this present course of life is of discontentment, unrest, death and darkness; a gradual spiritual suicide; a remedy for which cannot ever be found in New Age and pagan idolatry and self-glorification in unlawful pleasures of the flesh (soon to die and rot, interred in the dark cold earth), a life wasted based on sensual pleasure and profane hilarity.
And there shall be weeping and gnashong of teeth...


PS

The Holy Roman Catholic Church (Called thus because Saint Peter (the first Pope whom Christ had given the supreme majesterial authority to "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt 16:18) and Saint Paul were martyred there in the very beginnings of Christianity) is the only true Religion, all other forms of 'christianity' are either heretical or apostate sects which 90% came into being between the 16th and 20th centuries. And the idolatrous pagan 'religions' like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Saivism, Kabbalistic esoteric Judaism (derived from occultic Hermetic Egyption mystical schools), etc, are heathen Luciferean schools of ancient occultism, in which one cannot be Redeemed, Sanctified and Saved; Salvation can only be had through contrition, repentance, Baptism in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost through the infinite merits of Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour in His divinely instituted Church (the one and only Divine Institution). Original Sin and actual sin can only be washed from one's soul by the Precious Blood of the Lamb of God who takest away the sins of the world. And if one wants to realize and experience true wisdom, holiness and spiritual perfection one must imitate Our Lord just as the Saints did (which is what formed them into Saints, by the Light and Love of Holy Spirit)


Right, so I should judge you for following the morals of a book that was written in the Dark Age and everything your ex-fiancee does?
Azarias
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Truth is timeless and eternal

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away". (Luke 21:33)
Azarias
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Dawkins meant there is more than one way to be damned to Hell. [But only one Way to Heaven]
LRH
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Azarias wrote :
Dawkins meant there is more than one way to be damned to Hell. [But only one Way to Heaven]


Or that there is no more proof for your hell than there is for his disbelief in your god.

Even if hell does exist, how does affirmation in the name of Jesus as your saviour prevent this damnation? There is no more proof of this effect than there is of the existence of this place in the first place.

Stop telling tales and do some good brother.
Pete_Paranoid
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Azarias wrote :
Truth is timeless and eternal

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away". (Luke 21:33)


Pls see Big Bang thread.

Azarias wrote :
Dawkins meant there is more than one way to be damned to Hell. [But only one Way to Heaven]


Stop crying Wade, I'd have more luck following the tooth fairy!
Azarias
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There is copious proof; in the apparitions of the damned to many holy priests and religious and to pagans and heathens, experiences of the Saints where they were taken there to be shown its horror and the myriads of damned souls there, the Teachings of Christ who is Truth/God incarnate, and also the reason/logic of Justice.

Lord Jesus Christ is the divine Saviour; the name "Jesus" means God saves. Read the New Testament (Douay-Rheims is the perfect edition in the vernacular) and you will see exactly why and how Lord Jesus Christ and in us reforming our lives, renouncing sin, idolatry and all iniquity, will attain unto eternal life. But one needs to be Baptised in this most necessary Sacrament to be cleaned of the curse of Original Sin and all actual sin. It is only through the infinite merits of the life, passion, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ that we are redeemed, sanctified and saved. BUT we must correspond with God's Commandments and grace, we must co-operated with God's Divine Providence, for we will be judged according to our works.

Everything the [traditional] Roman Catholic Church teaches as Dogma with ex cathedra is truth that can never be superceded; the Doctrine of the Cathoic Church is true forever. It has the full deposit of Truth in Religion and Moral Divine Law. Then blossoming from this we have ascetical and mystical theology, the philosophy & theology of St. Thomas Aquinas, and the enclyclicals and writings of the holy Pontiffs, Fathers and Doctors of the Church. It truly is the greatest, most deep, most full, most beautiful, most sacred ocean of beautiful Truth/Wisdom and Knowledge. But the ultimate is the Divine Sacraments instituted by Christ for our sanctification and Salvation, without which verely no one would be saved. And Baptism is absolutely essential for Salvation and so is Holy Communion in receiving sanctifing grace in the Most Holy Eucharist. Then we have Confirmation, Penance/Confession, Extreme Unction and Holy Matrimony, and Holy Orders for the Priesthood. The Roman Catholic Church has an inexhaustible treasure of means of grace, wisdom, knowledge, prayer and holy Liturgy; so much so that nothing else in the entire universe gives glory to God than His Holy Church - outside of which there is no Salvation.

Why would anyone gamble their last end, their eternal destiny on a "perhaps" it is not true, "perhaps" the whole history of man in exile from God is not true, "perhaps" Hell and Heaven are not true? The hight od folly, hubris and stupidity is the take the risk, live a life of sin, deny Christ, turn your back on your own Creator, and thus condemn yourself to everlasting torments in Hell that was prepared for the Devil and his apostate angels.

If any of you knew even a portion of the Teaching of The Catholic Church you will clearly see it to be the only Way, Truth and the Life that leads to Eternal Life in Heaven in Spiritual Perfection. This one life determines our eternal destiny; this is not our home, but is a pilgrimage place, in exile from our true Home. This life is short and without Christ utterly vain and unworthy. In fact those who are not Baptised Christians have no dignity whatsoever; dignity only is present when we are in a state of sanctifying grace - with a share in the Divine Life of God in our souls. Dignity comes from God our Beloved Creator. Adam & Eve lost their human dignity and thus the whole human race is conceived and sown in corrption, devoid of sanctifying grace and spiritual integrity which were lost to man along with other supernatural graces, due to the sin of Adam; so instead of passing on original justice and immortal integrity he passed on the guilt and the consequences of Original Sin, a curse mankind needed to be delivered from . And the gravity of Original Sin and actual mortal sin is so great that onlly God could make infinite atonement and reparation for this abominable offence against the Infinite Divine Majesty and Truth of God, so God incarnated and took upon him all mankinds iniquity and self immolated Himself on the Altar of the Cross thus meriting our Redemption.

So to live a lie and base a life of sin, lying and blasphemy on PERHAPS the Truth of the Holy Bible and the Sacred Doctrine of the Catholic Church is false or made-up, no matter how many thousands of testimonies from sacred and profane history about the eternal reality and unending horror and despair in Hell is stupid. Being good, and living a life of innocence, purity, truth, wisdom, joy and sanctity is truly wise, is normal, and is the cure for all ills, for it is the way we are created and intended to be by God. So who is the ultimate Model and Example and Teacher to learn from and imitate? No other than Jesus Christ Our Lord. We also have the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Saints to, who only untained unto sainthood by modeling their life after Christ and His Virgin Mother. God created us al to be Saints.
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Was this all really seven years ago? Gosh. I guess it was.

Oh yes.

Shut up. Damn knobwrenches.
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Azarias wrote :
There is copious proof; in the apparitions of the damned to many holy priests and religious and to pagans and heathens, experiences of the Saints where they were taken there to be shown its horror and the myriads of damned souls there, the Teachings of Christ who is Truth/God incarnate, and also the reason/logic of Justice.


Most unconvincing proof ever. Consider that the bible was written by a bunch of desert dwelling goat herders who had NO idea about the universe. Also consider that the bible contains hearsay based on hearsay. And consider a few failed attempts by Israeli archaeologists. Also consider the fact that skepticism, critical thinking and education back then were not at the level they're at today (ie: they were gullible idiots).

Also consider that supposedly 'divine' experience only comes through a few fallible men & women, and that neurological research is slowly providing naturalistic explanations for transcendental/divine experience (eg, temporal lobe epilepsy). Notice how the bible is filled with all sorts of crazy supernatural feats, and yet today the occurrence of so-called miracles (often verified by the church) seems to have diminished quite a lot, or they are explained away by science.

I could go on & on..

"So who is the ultimate Model and Example and Teacher to learn from and imitate? No other than Jesus Christ Our Lord."

I don't think Jesus was much of a moral character at all. Many philosophers have established different systems of ethics that are far more complete, and earlier in history. In fact, aspects of Jesus' immorality (and the bible in general for that matter) show how it is nothing more than man made and definitely doesn't come from a divine source.

How anyone could become nihilistic to the point of requiring a supernatural being to worship in order to give their life any meaning is beyond me.
Azarias
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The Holy Bible is the Truth. It is true history. And all the Books of the Old Covenant have been archeologically proven to be true. And contains a concise summary of human history from the Fall of Adam and Eve til the beginning of the holy Catholic Church instituted by Christ - the Son of God. Plus all the essentials for one's redemption, sanctification and salvation. It is not meant to be a natural science book, yet it contains no contradiction, for it was inspired by God. The New Testament was written by those that knew Lord Jesus Christ personally, were witness to His resurrected Person, and were there at His Ascension. ALL WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS VULGAR LIES, SPOKEN BY A TRUE IGNORANT BLIND REPROBATE SLAVE TO SATAN.

PS

One needs to read the real Holy Bible, unchanged and most accurate and complete. Thus read the Douay Rheims edition.
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Azarias wrote :
The New Testament was written by those that knew Lord Jesus Christ personally, were witness to His resurrected person, and were there at His Ascension. ALL WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS VULGAR LIES, SPOKEN BY A TRUE IGNORANT BLIND REPROBATE SLAVE TO SATAN.
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How can you know this for certain ?? Are you to take the advice of somebody who 'told you this' ? What if they are being mislead by a much earlier person that was, as you said, 'SPOKEN BY A TRUE IGNORANT BLIND REPROBATE SLAVE TO SATAN', but they managed to infiltrate the catholic church in its early days, to wield power in satans direction ? You would never know, you would still be blindly following what is written in the works.. To say God would never allow this is disrespectful to other races and religions, and in so saying those religions , like many people who don't have religious ideas in Asia, are all going to suffer eternally because of a God that judges by what the children are taught.....?
Azarias
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I know in my soul; I know from the supernatural experience of grace at work within me that began when I was Baptised in the Holy Ghost, reborn in Christ and am now incorporated into His Mystical Body, and has only increased. The truly mystical supernatural spiritual journey to Heaven that I'm on was impossible when I was practicing the Eastern paths for ten years. I made more genuine spiritual progress in one night, the night of my holy Baptism, than in 10 years of fully delving into the ancient occultism and doctrines of Lucifer that is the Sanatana Dharma and yoga philosophy and practice. The work of God's grace-light within me has enabled me to know the Truth and experience it, which can never be had in any other pagan luciferian path of the East or West. I am a child of God, a disciple of Christ the Eternal Divine King, a child of the Resurrection. The Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation put an indeliable mark upon one's soul which can never be erased; this is the character of Christ and the infused virtues and gifts of the Holy Ghost (which can come to one in no other path but the Way, the Truth and the Life. Plus one receives infilling illuminating permeation of sanctifying grace (a share of God's Divine Life which can only ever come to a person through the infinite merits of Jesus Christ our Lord, and had been lost to man until the advent of the Incarnation of God). Grace can never come through any false religion or person self-agrandizment and personal persuits of arcane occultism and esoteric practices - IMPOSSIBLE. Yet when one follows Jesus Christ and is Baptised one can correspond and co-operate with God's grace in holy ambandonment thus being open to an ever increasing beatitude and sanctification, thus becoming Saints purely from removing all obsticles to Divine Grace through fidelity to the Will of God - self-abandonment to Divine Providence.

Why don't you get a New Testament (Douay Rheims edition) and read it all, then read a traditional Catholic Catechism and then tell me it isn't true. And if you really want to awaken your self to beautiful truth one can wholly trust, read traditional Catholic Dogmatic, Ascetical and Mystical Theology, then read the whole of the Holy Bible and you will realize without a doubt that the Holy Catholic Church has the the full deposit of God's Truth (as much as we can understand in this life, yet will only find its absolute fullfillment in us in the Beatific Vision in Heaven) All other paths of enquiry are but vanity and merages compared to this.
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I've tried to read the holy bible before but I feel asleep after the first 3 chapters and I refused to continue reading...
It started getting all grisly then and filled with lengthy paragraphs that don't mean very much.

You seem to have pretty much dodged my question though... And filled it with other paragraphs entirely....

You know, I could also adjust my personal psyche and consciousness to believe that I have been baptized and incorporate Chists spirit.... It's a matter of belief..... Just like people that go and gamble and believe they will win, because the 'greater good' is sitting there spending time figuring out how to open things in their reality that will improve their lives.. When they lose, they get depressed, winning causes a state of ecstacy, similar to that which one feels when you believe you have incorporated the holy spirit.

If you asked Christ, (if you could go back into the past) , what he thought of people worshipping him for thousands of years after he was nailed to the cross, as 'the son of god', he would probably laugh at you.. He'd possibly feel quite appalled by how things have gone.... His message was that all people are the son's and daughters of god... He happened to be an individual that could articulate things in such a believable way, he was obviously a very good talker, and thus had many adherants. He holds the same amount of 'god power' that you, me, or anyone else on this planet has been given....

By the way, the stories of christ where only written into the bible about 200 years after his death..
Azarias
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It is eternal immutable indefectable Truth. It has naught to do with placebo effects and wishful thinking. It agrees with reason, logic, intuition, history and is based on experience and Revelation. No matter, I knew the next day after my Baptism, as soon as I opened my eyes from deep sleep, an interior purity and innocence, Faith and Hope, Love and humility of heart, without even recalling what I did the evening before. I knew the distinct contrast and difference between before Baptism and after; a supernatural act of God pouring His Divine Grace into the soul takes place. And this experience is far greater now than then; God is finishing the work He began when He created by soul. The divine work upon me could only of continued because of my correspondance to God's call, and making an act of faith toward God. My love and gratitude are beyond all words. At the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (I go to the old Latin Rite) I am stilled often moved to tears of gratitude, contrition and love. And my soul ability to understand profound subtle truth is so far above any experience I've had when I used to take liquid acid, or from meditating on the philosophies of Zen or the Upanishads or any other of those Eastern Luciferian doctrines.

You need to get a proper Holy Bible, not an adulterated mutilated Protestant excuse. And you should not just start reading the first Books of the Old Covenant; The best Books to start with in the Old Testament is the The Book of Tobias, the Book of Wisdom, the Book of Proverbs, the Book of Judith, the Book of Esther, the Book of Job, and the Psalms. Then start reading the New Testament. Only read the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible, it is the best and most accurate Bible translated into the vernacular. It is the best Book in the galaxy.
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FRACAS
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Marsoups wrote :
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You know, I could also adjust my personal psyche and consciousness to believe that I have been baptized and incorporate Chists spirit.... It's a matter of belief..... Just like people that go and gamble and believe they will win, because the 'greater good' is sitting there spending time figuring out how to open things in their reality that will improve their lives.. When they lose, they get depressed, winning causes a state of ecstacy, similar to that which one feels when you believe you have incorporated the holy spirit.

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BasSCadeT
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I'm not overly religious myself but over the past few years I've come to realise that heaps of good can be taken from Christianity, or any religion for that matter. It's all the horse shit associated to make you feel guilty and scared all your life that turns good kids into faggoty narrow-minded Bush-supporting fuckwits riding the religious cock like a seasoned jockey. Catholicism is the worst in my mind. But I do believe that some sort of heavenly body exists, as it is the most logical explanation to our very existence. I also believe we were created AND evolved (holy fuck, science and religion both being right? NO WAY!). And I also believe the bible can teach us so much more if we read it with an open mind, not taking the words so literally, but now I'm sounding like someone who's read the bible, but I haven't because I can't be fucked. It's full of codes and metaphors. Didn't Tom Hanks teach you anything?

On a different note, Azarias, perhaps you can tell me why there is so much pine cone symbolism in the Catholic Religion...
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