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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:28 am
by Marsoups
I thought the article was great and entertaining...

It is, after all, a conspiracy story :roll:

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:54 am
by phoney
I blame it on the french and their nuclear testing 10 years ago in the South Pacific. The next frenchman I come across gets a punch in the face.



But yeah I reckon this would never have happened if Mark Latham got in.

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:03 am
by Gozer
Fair bit of research has gone into the 1998 Papua New Guinea Tsunami that killed approx 3000..

About that Latham theory .. I'm intrigued.. please tell me more :shock:

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:50 pm
by bobret the hobret

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:53 pm
by Mad Jedi
u guys are seriously nuts







yes

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:49 am
by Dreamthief
Ok Captain Encephalopathy. Earthquake warnings are not days in advance, if they're lucky, it's a few seconds seconds. I can just see a warning like that really helping people. "Quick! Watch out for the *crashshakeshatter*. Woops, too late."

I read the article, and I was quite serious. You guys are on par, if not worse with the conspiracy theory shit.

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:09 pm
by Gozer
Taken from this article how the US wants to assist in a Global Tsunami Warning

Scientists in Australia also are designing an Indian Ocean warning system that they say could be built within a year for about $20 million, but that cost doesn't include the communications links needed to warn people in coastal communities to flee before the giant waves arrive.

Such a system would have about 30 seismographs to detect earthquakes and about 10 tidal gauges and six special buoys for deep ocean assessment and reporting of tsunamis.

The buoys, which cost up to $250,000 each to install and another $50,000 a year to maintain, are needed to determine whether an earthquake has generated a tsunami.

Love that term .. tin foilers .. :lol:

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:00 pm
by Pi_Rate
Dreamthief wrote :
Ok Captain Encephalopathy. Earthquake warnings are not days in advance, if they're lucky, it's a few seconds seconds. I can just see a warning like that really helping people. "Quick! Watch out for the *crashshakeshatter*. Woops, too late."

I read the article, and I was quite serious. You guys are on par, if not worse with the conspiracy theory shit.


Actually, you are very wrong Dreamthief.

Firstly, it's the tsunami that killed people- not the submarine earthquake. Secondly, there are several methods that can (not always) offer indications of imminent earthquakes.

The tsunami hit shores at least an hour after the earthquake- so seismic readings in Jakarta, India, Japan, Hawaii etc... all would have registered the earthquake in time to get a warning out. It seems that the US Naval base at Diego Garcia had ample warning (unless they were forewarned...) Not much could have been done to help Aceh victims being so close to epicentre, but what about Thailand and Sri Lanka/India especially??

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Elephants have excellent hearing (ie. the big ears), they communicate at low frequencies over great distances. Maybe you should read this This is not the only story about animals going nuts prior to an earthquake/tsunami.

WRT conspiracy theories, I take anything I read with a grain of salt...that's not to say one shouldn't read to inform oneself...moreso people should read from various sources and draw their own critical assesments. I firmly believe that the technology exists that can induce earthquakes/tsunamis. Anyone who doubts this really underestimates the potential of military technologies.

First reference would be the unexplained Alaskan tsunami of 1946- seismologists have studied it for 50 years but are still left scratching their heads as to why no fault has been found as the cause of it. I do not think it to be far fetched that the US had a submarine nuclear test in 1946, nor is it far fetched that Nevada nuclear tests can be related to US earthquakes or recent Indian/Pakistani nuclear tests can be related to Afghanistans earthquake.

Point being that if a nuke can cause an earthquake in a stable region, what happens when you drop a nuke in a fault line?? Perhaps you'd get an earthquake without the expected S wave experienced days before a typical earthquake, all you'd get are the resultant P waves and after shocks. India has already reported this from it's seismic records and has released media reports to the effect that this appears to be an irregular earthquake pattern.

Disregarding the idea of a nuke, anyone who has been following the progress of the US HAARP develpoment in Alaska may be skeptical as to recent weather/techtonic anomalies. There isn't much of Tesla's work that hasn't been explored to it's full potential- HAARP is no exception. If your thinking I'm talking shit now, why in 1997 did the UN ratify a Convention banning:
"military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects." Both the US and the Soviet Union were signatories to the Convention. The Convention defines "'environmental modification techniques' as referring to any technique for changing--through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere or of outer space."

or why would US Secretary of Defense (1997) say:
"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes."

I'm not saying this is all truth supporting a conspiracy behind the creation of a tsunami, I'm just saying it's possible. The region is especially prone to earthquakes, a 1998 research report also suggests that one of the nearby plates is actually dividing. I do believe that I live in a world where it is becoming increasingly difficult to believe in anything.

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:41 pm
by Coomby
Ok first I'll tackle the s and p waves you are talking about. S waves travel slower than p waves. The S waves are the ones that do the damge. Assuming you meant P waves as the warning signal, they travel way to fast. P waves can take only 40 seconds to travel 300 kms ( that's about 27000 km's an hour, almost the whole way around the world in just one hour!). No way anyone could have gotten enough warning to measure the earthquake, find it's epicentre and warn everyone. Check these websites out for info:

http://vcourseware3.calstatela.edu/Virt ... ecute.html
http://eqseis.geosc.psu.edu/~cammon/HTM ... erior.html

As for the Alaskan tsunami you mention, you do realise earthquakes don't have to occur on fault lines? Take the Newcastle one about a deacde ago. It was 6.3 on the richter scale and was nowhere near a fault line. Earthquakes usually occur on fault lines (especially large ones, but not always). Not only that but underwater landslides and volcanoes can also cause tsunamis. Do some searches on the Alaskan one that are not written by nutters and you might be surprised.

The lack of warning about the tsunami which travels at about 800 km an hour can most likely be attributed to the lack of infrastructure like diaster warning centers and means to get that information out. It may partly be to human reasons such as the americans not realising that the affected countries didn't know what was coming. Maybe they assumed they knew, or couldn't reach anyone to tell.

As for the secretary of state comments, ( puts tin foil hat on :D ) maybe he was using that as an excuse to get more influence and power for america's counter terrorism need's. Or maybe you are right and they have secret weapons hidden away.Most likely it was a scare tactic on the part of the Americans, that I wouldn't put past them.

Cooms

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:35 pm
by Pi_Rate
Thanks for the info again Coomby.

Like I said, "there are several methods that can (not always) offer indications of imminent earthquakes"

Earthquake Precursors - Most earthquakes have precursors (short term and long-term changes in the Earth that take place prior to an earthquake). Unfortunately no reliable precursors have been identified:

Seismic Gap - A region in an area of seismic activity that has had little earthquake activity for a number of years. Represent areas along a fault that are locked and building up stress. Points out areas which are "overdue" for an earthquake. Seismic gaps are considered to be potential sites for major earthquakes. Long-range predictor.

Crustal Tilt and Elevation Changes - Can be caused by increasing pressure in subsurface rocks in the region of the epicenter.
Measured by tiltmeters.

Changes in Rock Properties (Dilatancy Model) - Rock volume (dilatancy), electrical and magnetic field changes can precede an earthquake. Caused by high pressure producing numerous cracks in rock prior to failure.

Changes in Well Water Levels, and Gases - Water levels can rise in response to increasing pressure (decreases pore space in rock). Radon levels increase.

Animal Behavior - Animals are more sensitive than humans to changes in the Earth.

Radio Waves - Amplitude of ultralow frequency radio waves increased just prior to the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake.

I believe if you look into the third option, dilatency model, you may discover that many large earthquakes also exhibit Shear waves prior to an actual event- the vibration as pressure builds in the fault/plate.

Re: 1946 Alaskan Earthquake & Tsunami.

I am aware that earthquakes do occur in regions other than borders of techtonic plates, what I said is that no FAULT was found inicative of the event in 1946. Did the Newcastle earthquake occur leaving no fault or geological evidence of it's origin??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308869/posts
http://www.drgeorgepc.com/TsunamiForecasting.html
http://www.drgeorgepc.com/Tsunami1946.html

Is it fanciful to propose that the US has performed submarine nuclear tests? It's stupid to propose otherwise, Bikini Atoll and Alaska would be prime locations for the US to perform such tests.

Re: EM weapons.
I guess you wrote your posts using AC current, any idea who invented that?? Ever heard of the 1898 Manhattan "Earthquake"? Tesla's work with electro-magnetic oscillators not only supplies us with the technology for geological surveying of oil/minerals, in 1935 he is quoted as saying:
"With this principle one could split the earth in half like an apple"

http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.html
http://www.rense.com/political/weapons/earthqk.htm

Make sure that tinfoil hat doesn't fall over your eyes. :wink:

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:15 pm
by Gozer
Pi_Rate wrote :
http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.html
It was an innocent experiment. The year was 1898 and Tesla attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his laboratory located in New York City. He closed a switch and it began vibrating. He had noticed that at certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would start to jiggle. Changing the frequency would move the jiggle to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he had not taken into account the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan.

Wonder how embarassed Mrs Tesla would've been in that day and age :oops: :lol:

Thanks for the info BTW

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:22 pm
by Dreamthief
Pi-rate - way to miss the point. You may have noticed I didn't say boo about the tidal wave. It's because I didn't think I needed to point out that the wave would have been travelling at over 400km/hr, the first victims got hit about an 90 minutes or thereabouts after the quake, because this has been covered about thousand times by every news agency out there.

I also didn't mention that tsunami warnings are part of standard procedure for the military base.

I also didn't mention that GSM technology tends to fail hardcore over water, or near water, which tends to debunk the idea that a cell phone could have been used to notify fishermen in india about it.

There's a bunch of shit I didn't mention because it wasn't relevant to the point I was trying to make. Get it?

To clarify, just for you, baby, firstly - earthquake warnings do not come days in advance, and secondly - you're a bunch of crackpots, that are worse than the worst example in the article.

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:45 pm
by xsdata
? :D

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:40 pm
by waapwoop
i think aliens under the water decided to change their reptilian shape, in te process created such a huge amount of energy and created an earthquake, in turn creating the tsunami. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:53 am
by Pi_Rate
Pi_Rate wrote :
I'm not saying this is all truth supporting a conspiracy behind the creation of a tsunami, I'm just saying it's possible.


I missed the point eh?
Thanks for the clarification ye omniscient One.

Re: Firstly
http://www.copernicus.org/EGU/nhess/3/2 ... -3-217.pdf
http://www.eorc.nasda.go.jp/Sciences/ERSFR/SeismoULF/
http://www.earthquakewarning.org/van_ses.html

Re: Secondly
Double Plus Good Dreamthief.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

We will now return you to normal broadcasting on all networks.

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:10 pm
by Esoterica2000-III
I think Boblet's point (that article rather) is highly unlikely, but possible. If you consider the effects of a project like H.A.A.R.P and it's ramifications on our bio-sphere, surely something’s got to give, add to that long periods of nuclear testing, our disconnectedness with nature in resonating arrhythmic frequencies and constant polluting, is it any wonder the Earth that gives us life is well pissed at us?

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:45 pm
by Gozer
Rogue78 - I struggle between that thought and whether we're just a passing thought in big picture..

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:57 pm
by Dreamthief
woah. Pi-rate. You sure schooled me. Consider me owned.

Oh, by the way, while we're trading links that have fuck all to do with what I originally stated, I thought I'd post some too, because you know, I don't think I'd have forum cred unless I posted some links to some shit I didn't care about.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/earthquake7.htm
http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... editorial/
http://www.zephryus.demon.co.uk/geograp ... /pred.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0502/p02s02-usgn.html
http://www.alcseattle.com/planet.php

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:45 am
by Pi_Rate
Thousands of people die, some people open their mind to make reason of this and all you can do is bag people.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:05 pm
by SamuraiJack
Pi_Rate wrote :
Thousands of people die, some people open their mind to make reason of this and all you can do is bag people.
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Only those who've got it coming.

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:12 pm
by Dreamthief
Yeah, good one mate. You pulled out the victim card. Oh no. Obviously you are the downtrodden, and the meek, trying to defend the tsunami victims from the persecution of bastards like me. Good one.

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:46 pm
by Pi_Rate
You guys are always on.

You were actually paying out on me, but continue with your masterful misinterpretations. And Samurai, just continue with whatever it is you do.

Peace anyway, i might return to that other forum with construcitve criticisms and friendly jibes.

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:57 pm
by rollyz
I think everyone is lucky that it didn't happen at night.......

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:14 pm
by SamuraiJack
Pi_Rate wrote :
You guys are always on.

You were actually paying out on me, but continue with your masterful misinterpretations. And Samurai, just continue with whatever it is you do.

Peace anyway, i might return to that other forum with construcitve criticisms and friendly jibes.


What, contiue with giving knobwrenches like you shit, and then pointing out that I run rings around you? You mean continue doing that? Or continue rocking like a bastard? Man, there's so many things that I do, which one were you refering to?

Or did you mean continue not listening to what idiots say?

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:56 am
by inflow_outflow
now now children.

whether or nor there is foul play afoot, many people have died in vain, and this is not the place for a sledging match.

being a conspiracy theorist myself, i know that not many conspiracy theorists agree many things, the amount of information out there is so great that you can just pick your own path according to your own logic.

although we can all agree on theories about the bush admin, etc, when it comes to cia controlling the weather, secret bloodline oligarchies controlling the worlds' power from europe, and even that real weird one about shapeshifting reptilian humanoid aliens that control the world and live beneath the earth and maintain their human form by drinking childrens blood, we have to relax and just be respectful of each others opinions.

can't we all just get along?

knobwrench is my new favourite insult.