somali pirates

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simon
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As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."


more at http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 25817.html
venatrix
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wowzers! reasons why the west is fucked #487672
FRACAS
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venatrix wrote :
wowzers! reasons why the west is fucked #487672

And quite retarded ...
Step 1 : poison ocean
step 2: steal fish supplies out of poisoned ocean...
phoney
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This was debunked the other day....

The facts:

1. It is not true that 300 Somalis died, or are said to have died, from radition sickness. That death toll was in fact the disputed estimate of Somali deaths from a tsunami, which was also blamed for breaking open containers of toxic chemicals.

http://www.whale.to/b/tsu12.html

2. No one has yet proved that any of those containers held nuclear waste.

3. There was evidence that some companies were indeed dumping waste in Somalia in the 1990s, but not at sea, and not without the permission of Somali war lords, who in fact earned millions accepting these shipments for “disposal”.

http://www.somalinet.nl/


The omissions:

1. No evidence of large-scale illegal fishing in Somali waters is offered.

2. None of the pirates hijacking the supertankers and cargo ships of the West have demanded as ransom an end to illegal dumping of chemicals or of fishing by foreigners. They’ve asked instead for the cash that earns them a reported $40 million a year.

3. Why would mafia ships dumping toxic waste sail all the way to Somalia’s pirate waters to do so, when they could quietly dump the lot en route, in international waters?

4. How has the West let slip so much nuclear waste - one of the most monitored and closely checked materials on earth?

5. Why is the West pulling fish from Somali waters as polluted with nuclear waste and chemicals as Hari claims - and why have the food and medical authorities in Euope not noticed the contamination or the sick diners?
Pure__Ignorance
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phoney wrote :
This was debunked the other day....

The facts:

1. It is not true that 300 Somalis died, or are said to have died, from radition sickness. That death toll was in fact the disputed estimate of Somali deaths from a tsunami, which was also blamed for breaking open containers of toxic chemicals.

http://www.whale.to/b/tsu12.html

2. No one has yet proved that any of those containers held nuclear waste.

3. There was evidence that some companies were indeed dumping waste in Somalia in the 1990s, but not at sea, and not without the permission of Somali war lords, who in fact earned millions accepting these shipments for “disposal”.

http://www.somalinet.nl/


Your three points maybe make the issue a little less dramatic, but don't negate the issue beign raised. In fact they confirm it, albeit with different details.

The omissions:

1. No evidence of large-scale illegal fishing in Somali waters is offered.


Ellen Laipson wrote :

The sea itself is an economic resource. Fisheries issues vary across the region: in some cases, overfishing in the sea has been replaced with inland fishing, or, in the dramatic case of Somalia, a displacement of fishermen to illicit activities, including piracy. In other cases, fisheries provide a small portion of national income, but a significant portion of the economy for coastal communities, and their interests sometimes conflict with national development plans and the larger scale fishing activity of outside powers. Environmental concerns include the degradation of coastal mangroves, erosion of coral reefs, and the disappearance of a startling 70% of biomass, across the entire Indian Ocean region.
http://www.stimson.org/pub.cfm?ID=733


Which reproduces the overfishing claim as well as answering why the pirates don't just ask for their fish back.

As for the polluted fish, how much contaminants are in them? Is there a big difference between enough to be a problem for Somalia and enough to make people sick in Europe or India? The absence of a big uproar in hte west is hardly proof that there isn't a problem.

I think the big point is that Somalia is really, truly, fucked up, and instead of this being yet another convienient excuse for the USA to invade, the country should be fixed properly.
tripn
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Pure__Ignorance wrote :
I think the big point is that Somalia is really, truly, fucked up, and instead of this being yet another convienient excuse for the USA to invade, the country should be fixed properly.


what do you mean by "they should be fixed" exactly?
boondocksaint
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tripn wrote :
Pure__Ignorance wrote :
I think the big point is that Somalia is really, truly, fucked up, and instead of this being yet another convienient excuse for the USA to invade, the country should be fixed properly.


what do you mean by "they should be fixed" exactly?


Perhaps what is meant is committing UN forces to a 'nation-building' operation.. Currently, the almost total failure of the country's institutions - political, legal, social etc - has led to a humanitarian disaster. Learning from the failures of the UN missions to Somalia in the 90s, maybe the world could try again to lessen the plight of the people of Somalia, and address the severe human rights violations taking place?
tripn
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somalia has been way better off since they have been without a nation state than when they had one. every effort to build one since by the UN and western powers has just resulted in more bloodshed. i say just leave them the fuck alone.

as for the pirates - arm the cargo ships with long distance machine gun turrets and turn the motherfuckers into fish food when they try and hijack you.
phoney
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tripn wrote :
as for the pirates - arm the cargo ships with long distance machine gun turrets and turn the motherfuckers into fish food when they try and hijack you.



Use of arms
Controversial, though, is any proposal to arm crews.
The problem with this, says Will Geddes, managing director of International Corporate Protection group, is the risk of a protracted battle with already well-armed pirates.
John Burnett, author of "Dangerous Waters: Modern Piracy and Terror on the High Seas", says that of the 40,000 ships at sea today, most are crewed by people from developing countries.
"They've never held a gun in their lives, so you're asking them to arm themselves," he said.
"If you have guns for protection, you have to shoot to kill... even if you have the officers shoot, you're going to be shot back at and I think the chance of injury and death to the crew members, and damage to the ship, would be prohibitive."
John Burnett suggests thorough training of crew so that when they enter pirate territory, they are alert and assume that they are going to be attacked.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7999974.stm

They'd be better off tracking which towns and villages the pirates retreat back to with unmanned drones, and then send in AC-130 gunships to obliterate anything that moves in those regions.
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