Mels not well

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Darkone
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Mel's affliction seems hereditary.

The zeal of Hutton Gibson has clearly filtered down into his famous son's Hollywood career writes Phillip Adams

MAD Max, the Road Warrior. Braveheart, the Woad Warrior. Mel Gibson, a bit of a worry. Mel brings a demented intensity to every role. In 1984's The Bounty, his Fletcher Christian was such that one could only sympathise with Captain Bligh. His Hamlet was madder than Ophelia, or Lear on the moors. In Conspiracy Theory, Mel's taxi driver was even loonier than Robert De Niro's in Taxi Driver. And in his double act with Danny Glover in the Lethal Weapon series, Gibson's as mad as a meat axe.
There's method in Mel's madness. In the Method acting tradition of mad Marlon Brando, he can clearly draw from dark depths of personal anger. The madness of Mel is a topic I've returned to over the years. This blazing talent is no blazing intellect but someone forever on the brink. And a week or so ago he jumped off.

Affected by the booze? Perhaps. But far more affected and afflicted by his father, Hutton Gibson, one of the ravingest ratbags Australia has produced, right up there with the recently deceased Eric Butler when it comes to rancid racism. As enthusiastic in his Holocaust denials as Frederick Toben of the notorious Adelaide Institute.

Butler, Toben and Gibson, an unholy trio with connections to the detestable David Irving. Little wonder Jews across the world were so concerned at the prospect of Gibson's film The Passion of the Christ. The charge that Jews killed Christ is the original sin of anti-Semitism, an accusation to justify 2000 years of pogroms. It gave the world Zionism, the death camps and Israel. And millions of copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a book as dangerous as Mein Kampf, are still out there. It's still a bestseller in every Muslim nation.

There were hints aplenty of Jewish deicide in Gibson's film. An exercise in religious pornography, it made Mel such a hero of US Christian fundamentalists that many urged him to be a candidate for the presidency. And Gibson's had plenty of experience on the stump. When visiting Australia, Mel would rage and rant against prime minister Paul Keating and campaign for members of the Gwydir group on the far Right of the National Party. More recently he joined the lists on the Terri Schiavo case, calling the legal decision to switch off her life-support a modern crucifixion.

A few years back a reader sent me bootleg tapes of Gibson Sr's sermons to his Australian flock. They were so disturbing that you could well understand the descent of his son into alcoholism. Dad is as compelling and charismatic as Osama bin Laden, and every bit as fanatical. In the recordings of his rants, Jews were not the principal target. That bullseye was pinned on the Polish Pope, along with other modern pretenders to the papal throne. Gibson's accusations of their betrayal of the Catholic faith - of their heresies - reached a crescendo with the Vatican damned as the home of the Antichrist. Utterly devoid of self-doubt or humour, Gibson Sr has all the son's dangerous intensity and more. To hear him is to fear him. His is the voice of the religious zealot, not a jot different from some Islamic extremist calling for jihad.

At the time of Passion's release, it seemed incredible that the Vatican should be supporting Gibson's marketing efforts. Bigots within the born again and Pentecostal movements had much to gain, whereas Catholicism - and American Jews - had much to fear.

With the immense profits generated by the film adding to Mel's wealth, he built Dad his own church near Hollywood where the two can practise a Catholic cultism that would scare Opus Dei. Suddenly, the Scientology of Tom Cruise and John Travolta seems comparatively benign.

"Don't go there," warned Mel when Dianne Sawyer questioned him on his father's attitude to the Final Solution, but he's now taken us all there with that drunken outburst. Right in the city that gave the world an assembly line of the imagination: the dream factory that created much of the American dream. A city and an industry created by Jews fleeing the pogroms of Russia and eastern Europe, to this day the other promised land of the Jewish diaspora.

The obscenities Mel spewed at the police station reek of self-hatred as much as anti-Semitism. And, hopefully, of some difficulties with Dad.

Source : The Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 72,00.html

 

phoney
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sounds like he drunk a little too much "passion pop of christ"

 

tripn
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a lot of good his religion is doing for him.

 

Cyberwlf
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Religion seems to cause more harm than good in this world generally speaking anyhow. People's own religious beliefs coupled with their religious intolerance of others beliefs these days is mostly used these days as a tool to incite fear, to spread hatred, and descrimination. Just as amazing though is when ignorant bigots associate all people of one faith with one nation's government or associated militant groups.

 

Zara2stra
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Many people like to ignore the fact that the best places in the world are those where religion is not that important.

 

bobret the hobret
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like where?

 

bobret the hobret
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like where?

 

Cyberwlf
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Good question...where? :)

 

Zara2stra
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Cyberwlf wrote :
Good question...where? :)


Northern Europe, the US (at least a number of states) and here.

 

Cyberwlf
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The US/Australia has been witness to numerous significant events where religion has been a key factor. And in both governments, they are ruled by right-wing christian (fundamentalist) values (the US much more so than Australia though).

 

Zara2stra
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Compared to the rest of the world, Australia is very secular.

The average Aussie doesn't give a shit about the church.

The more secular the society, the better it is. Of course, if you are some kind of moral puritan you might disagree with me, but if you are, your opinion doesn't matter.

 

Cosmic Wizard
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Cyberwlf wrote :
Religion seems to cause more harm than good in this world generally speaking anyhow. Just as amazing though is when ignorant bigots associate all people of one faith with one nation's government or associated militant groups.


Like Judasim and the state of Israel???

 

Cyberwlf
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Yes like that

 

FeralBrown
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lol...
like that article has ANYTHING to do with your anti-religious crap...
the point seems to me to be that he's inherited the crazies, rather than drinking himself stupid... I could be wrong, but does it say ANYTHING about his religion, or just his acting's effect on religious-types?

zara- I agree with you... China rocks it hard! MILLIONS of happy citizens, with EVERYTHING to look forward to!

Anyway, Mel's dad sounds pretty interesting... I'm off to dig up some of his shit, while you guys congratulate eachother on being completely narrow-minded and missing the point by a mile! :D
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FeralBrown
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Cyberwlf wrote :
Just as amazing though is when ignorant bigots associate all people of one faith with one nation's government or associated militant groups.


Is this one of those pot/kettle jokes?

 

FeralBrown
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heh... his old man has some heaps valid points, actually...
(catholic conspiracy alert!)

anyway... here's something interesting I found. (nothing to do with said valid points...)

 

Cyberwlf
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FeralBrown wrote :
Cyberwlf wrote :
Just as amazing though is when ignorant bigots associate all people of one faith with one nation's government or associated militant groups.


Is this one of those pot/kettle jokes?


How could it be a pot/kettle joke unless by refering to your own replies as being just that? Just because your view is so blindsighted you only see the criticisms directed towards religion and you assume that it is being anti-religion.

Yes it is criticising religion, but to call it anti-religion is as ignorant as anyone whose atttitude allows you to criticise another but not take any criticism on yourself. Disagree? Then respond with points. Don't waste peoples times with insults.

Yes it goes into the specifics of his fathers influence (and how it was visible across things he has done over time), but religious influences/attitudes often do come from peoples parents. And that's where that article focuses.

You may believe people miss the point by focusing on the subject of religion, but maybe you missed the point, because the article demonstrates a form of mentality directly relating to religion, and one which the points being made tie back to, and is the source of where Mel's 'situation' originates from.

But if your foresight is so short you can't see directly beyond what's been stated, then that's unfortunate for you.

PS. The references you've quoted in relation to his father are best commented on by quoting this sentence off the site you've listed.. "The Nazis know what's happening and have come to the defense of Gibson."

 

Pi
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I dunno. *Sigh* Maybe religious zealots who are dangerous would be dangerous without religion. Perhaps the intensity of it all just acts as a lightning rod for hateful people to act out heir violent fantasies. Who knows? Maybe we should be more tolerant of intolerance and just keep an eye out for the really crazy people who are out to actually cause physical harm.

As for Mel Gibson and his Dad, So what if they go loony? The world thrives on variety. I just hope Phillip addams realises his ranting gets him put in the same box. I wonder what sort of a nutter His dad was.

Anti-Semitic/Anti-Anti-Semitic, It's not too good to be anti anything now is it?

If they're going to pin the death of Jesus on the Jews, why don't they adopt the same attitude that Jesus did and love them anyway.

 

Cyberwlf
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There's a definate hypocracy that people that don't feel like jesus 'dying for their sins' 2000 years ago is relevant, but how he was killed 2000 years ago still is? (To relate back to what is said to be the roots of this form of religious hatred, and what Mel's movie, the Passion of the Christ plays on.)

 

FeralBrown
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I try not to dissect everything and respond in points, because I find it anally retentive, and a waste of everyone's time. :)

I try to say things that people will get the gist of as quickly and efficiently as possible. Often there is another dimension (or two or three) to what I've said.

Mel actually seems to have rejected his parental influence, and particularly his father's nutjob "fundamentalism", from a lot of what I've just read... however, there is obviously still something "seething" inside him. A blind person would say it's his father's religious attitude that's screwed him up. A perceptive person would draw the conclusion that his fathers extreme ideologies are probably a result of some form of mental condition, and one that Mel may also have, and be attempting to quell with the bottle. Maybe I'm being naive, or blinding myself to the truth... but I think not.

If you think about it a bit harder, I think you'll see what I'm saying about the pot and kettle. Until then, I'll just have to go all SJ on yo' ass! :P

I don't get particularly offended by people being "antireligious", or even criticising religion, I was merely pointing out a shallow response that is becoming more and more typical on Australiens these days... the criticism of religion was a pretty fukn superfluous call, was it not?


So... if you wanna argue that in point form... go ahead... (I'd particularly like to see the quotes from the article that helped you formulate YOUR opinion)

 

FeralBrown
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Pi wrote :
I dunno. *Sigh* Maybe religious zealots who are dangerous would be dangerous without religion. Perhaps the intensity of it all just acts as a lightning rod for hateful people to act out heir violent fantasies. Who knows? Maybe we should be more tolerant of intolerance and just keep an eye out for the really crazy people who are out to actually cause physical harm.

As for Mel Gibson and his Dad, So what if they go loony? The world thrives on variety. I just hope Phillip addams realises his ranting gets him put in the same box. I wonder what sort of a nutter His dad was.

Anti-Semitic/Anti-Anti-Semitic, It's not too good to be anti anything now is it?

If they're going to pin the death of Jesus on the Jews, why don't they adopt the same attitude that Jesus did and love them anyway.

post of the thread!
:D

(although there is a startling absence of "LOR!"s for it to be deemed such!)

 

FeralBrown
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Cyberwlf wrote :
There's a definate hypocracy that people that don't feel like jesus 'dying for their sins' 2000 years ago is relevant, but how he was killed 2000 years ago still is? (To relate back to what is said to be the roots of this form of religious hatred, and what Mel's movie, the Passion of the Christ plays on.)


this has "misunderstanding" drooled all over it!
I'm not gonna give a fukn theological lesson, but dude... unless you know the story and the tradition, don't bother trying to surmise anything. (that's a helpful hint, not an insult!)

 

Cyberwlf
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Okay here's the thing. You're focusing on his mental condition in respect to potential mental illness, and i'm focusing on the religious attitudes/beliefs aspect of the article. The article actually suggests both (self hatred + anti-semitism).

Maybe it is largely mental illness, but to follow a logical conclusion here, if his condition is indeed mental illness, does this mean others with similar hatreds are also mentally ill?

And I wasn't talking of theological accuracy when i suggested the issue of how jesus died vs peoples value for jesus dying for their sins. I was talking adopted mentalities people use as an excuse for their hatred. Indeed if we were talking theological accuracy, in regards to Pi's point, then those who spew hatred should instead be spreading love.

 

ATREYU
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Care factor?

- Braveheart is cool so ut the fuck shup.

His next movie's about the fall of the Mayan civilisation- which is supa cool with all the dialogue in the ancient language aswell- so R.E.S.P.E.C.T to mr Mel.


P.S Signs was shit he deserves a slap for that one :P He must have been drunk :lol:

 

tripn
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FeralBrown wrote :
zara- I agree with you... China rocks it hard! MILLIONS of happy citizens, with EVERYTHING to look forward to!


slammed!
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