3 day 'festival' Vs 1 night party (Now with added poll!)

General Discussion about the PsyTrance scene, way of life, etc.
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Which is better?

44%
One night party
25
56%
Three night festival
32

Total votes: 57

Satori
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So I have been seeing a lack of good one night parties over the last few years, everyone seems to want to create the next Rainbow Serpent and no-one is coming close.
For me the point of doof was to experience the trance dance, with a 3 day party the energy is so dispersed that it is hard to create the tribal trance experience, sure you can trance out on your own and that is a great experience in itself but I can't remember the last time I felt the dancefloor buzzing with the type of collective energy that is needed to break on through.
People come and sleep during the early hours of the morning because energy needs to be used wisely to make it through 3 days of doof, so the dancefloor dies and the energy is scattered, people indulge in their poison of choice at different times and this creates a scattered sort of vibe and I feel we are missing the most important part of these gatherings.
For me parties these days are simply another social gathering and have lost the magic that made them special.
Drop the price, party for one night, put more thought into the flow of the line up and stop just throwing your mates on to dj a mish mash of styles. Encourage people to hang near the dancefloor and not back at camp and forget your dreams of putting on the biggest 3 day festival ever and party whether you get 50 or 5000 people through the gates.
I know the bigger festivals are needed but even Rainbow started off as a 24 hour trance party. I think people need to start at the bottom and then build your party into something big if it has the potential.
What are peoples thoughts on this subject?
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rollyz
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Very wise words. One nighters can be cheaper, tighter, more intense vibes getting that unity together. Then some promotors have been around long enough to try 3 day events, sometimes is great to have the time to relax and socialise while not being in a trance state. I guess the scene is progressing. If different parties can create different outcomes, as long as we know where the direction is going, I see it it a win all over. :alien:
susan
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i'm appreciative of everyones effort of course but i I agree with everything you say.
three daze is also too taxing on my available time, energy and dollars these days.
could always go for part of the party but lift sharing becomes more difficult then.
less stuff in the bush and more dancing would be more better.
agestones
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satori, i hear exactly what you're saying... this is something i have been thinking a lot about lately and i think you've hit the nail on the head.... you have to start out small before you can go big... i think the scene is in need of new blood (especially if 3 day parties are going to work successfully) and i think these parties can be damaging to the scene if new party goers turn up and there is no-one on the dancefloor, and no party atmosphere. Which it seems is what i have been seeing too much of lately...

then there are the photos people take at these parties and put up on facebook etc. which i believe are the worst advertisement of all.. a lasting memory of sad dancefloors with 2 or 3 people standing on them is not really going to attract potential party goers...

don't get me wrong, i still love these parties and the people, and i don't want them to be flooded by a bunch of dickheads, but in my opinion it's pretty clear that numbers need to be boosted, possibly by strengthening the scene through more 1 night parties. it can only work out for the better for both promoters and party goers alike, right?

i understand that there are so many contributing factors and variables and things may not be as straight forward as i make them sound but this definitely needs to be looked at before some serious damage is done to the scene... i think i will leave it at that for now... and i too look forward to hearing other peoples opinions on this topic. as at the end of the day these parties are for the people... what do the people want?? :) hopefully we can keep things civilized. :lol:
itchytriggerniggerfingers
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***Indulgent Track6 promo***

I know from previous Track parties, I spend most of my time either on or next to the trancefloor. Partly due to the fact that the guys & girls involved play good musics, but also because they create a space / environment where you want to be where the akshun is 8)
Satori
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^^
The track party is exactly the sort of party we need right now.
My first doof was an e.p.p party and it was magic, the dancefloor was amazing, the atmosphere was so beautiful and it was this party that made me fall in love with doofs.

I played main stage at Psyfari at 4am on the sunday night, 3 sets after Azax Syndrom and there was under 10 people on the dancefloor when I arrived to take over from Substance (who was playing some awesome tunes).
There must have been at least 500-600 people on site and I played to 5-10 people on the main stage a few hours after the international headliner had played. Not to say that it wasn't a good party, I had a great time and the crew put a lot of love into what they created, but 4 days is overkill. People can't party for 4 days, people don't have the time, energy or money to sustain this.
I have seen this happen way too often lately.

So I compare my first party with maybe 200-300 people on site to a 3 day 'festival' with 1000+ and the difference in amazing. The party with 300 people had 300 people at the party THE WHOLE TIME!
The 3 day festival had a dead dancefloor Most of the time with everyone hanging at the campsite.

If psyfari had of been my first party I don't see that I would have fallen for doof the way that I did all those years ago so this makes me worry about the growth and evolution of the scene.
How many beautiful people are coming to our parties and seeing a dead dancefloor and shit vibe and never coming back?

I know it can work, Dragon Dreaming is a good example of a festival starting well and showing potential for growth, but so many fall short of the mark.
I think a 3 day festival should be a once or twice a year thing, not every doof.

Time to go back to the source.
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venatrix
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Clearly everyone needs to get back on the crack - no sleeping necessary! 8)

Didn't psyfari it up but one of the many things I think that worked at Dragon was the creation of a 'village'-esque space with communal stalls and area where people could hang out around a fire. The crystal tent was excellent, the perfect place to chill or delve deeper into your trip or whatever, the book store with so many amazing books and a place to sit and read and meet people was really lovely. Nice and close to the dancefloor, but far enough to be able to move away from the music if that's what you felt like doing. The warrior-hippie tent with free politics was excellent too as they always had a pot of herbal tea going (it was the first time I had ever had proper lemon myrtle tea and let me tell you it spawned a serious obsession!). I also really dug the artspace with all the art supplies where you could go and draw/paint/whatever to your heart's content. Just little spaces like this that all added up to so much more atmosphere and a place to wander near the dancefloor instead of roaming around from tent to tent away from the party. Also gives you something fun to do if you're not off your guts on drugs.
venatrix
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Satori wrote :
I think a 3 day festival should be a once or twice a year thing, not every doof.


I know that sounds logical in some ways, but there are other considerations.

Not everyone can just drop everything and head to a 3 day party.

People have work, study, kids, families, all sorts of considerations.

If there is only one or two chances to go to a big 3 day party and you can't make it to them because of other commitments then you miss out which is shit.

On the flip side maybe we could all be a bit adventurous and less insular and head to more big interstate parties.

I would fucking love to be in Cairns right about now but sadly I can't afford to go (for the second year running :/) But there are plenty of other parties (well except earl of bored lol) we could all go to interstate.
STEVONOISEMAKER
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Interesting topic :)

I think both kinds of parties have their place, with their own pros n cons also.

One nighters are good for a cranking dancefloor, although considering the distances we travel to parties, it does seem more worth the mission if we get to party for longer. Also at multi day parties, the communal village atmosphere is indeed very nice, and the extra days allow people to spend more time socializing, exploring the site, etc etc. true that the dancefloor often suffers at longer parties, not always but yeah often.
Don’t forget though rory that it woulda been about 2 degrees when you played at psyfari, so that would have added to the lack of folk on the dancefloor too.

There are plenty of one night parties around, just recently there was the dark psyde and psykovsky, and coming up soon there’s the track party, fortress of psylitude and sounds psylly. There are just as many one nighters as full weekenders I reckon. El stompo was a one night party too, and while people did arrive the night before, the music only fired up on the sat morn and the dancefloor did go pretty hard for most of the weekend.

another thing to consider I suppose is that the cost of running a party for one day compared to 3 days often isn’t much greater. You usually have to hire equipment, trucks, generators etc for the whole weekend anyway, so it’s mainly more fuel and more artists on the line up that need to be sorted to cover a longer timeframe. Plus various other resources which need to last the weekend like 1st aid, water, food etc, but yeah, not such a huge difference.

Personally, multi day parties make more sense to me.
Makes driving long distances more worthwhile
Gives the option of getting loose earlier on in the weekend and having plenty of time for a refreshing recovery before having to drive home
Get to hang out with friends for longer
Get to hear much more music (even if the dancefloor isn’t cranking for the whole weekend)

My 2c anyhoo :)
agestones
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I played main stage at Psyfari at 4am on the sunday night, 3 sets after Azax Syndrom and there was under 10 people on the dancefloor when I arrived to take over from Substance (who was playing some awesome tunes).
There must have been at least 500-600 people on site and I played to 5-10 people on the main stage a few hours after the international headliner had played. Not to say that it wasn't a good party, I had a great time and the crew put a lot of love into what they created, but 4 days is overkill. People can't party for 4 days, people don't have the time, energy or money to sustain this.
I have seen this happen way too often lately.


i believe the cold was the biggest killer at this party. also the numbers were not as many as expected (mostly due to the cold again + uni exams etc) and there is no way of knowing this until you give it a go i guess.. Sydney doofers are just not dedicated enough yet to go out and bare the freezing cold of winter for 3 days...
so i guess it all comes back to strengthening the scene... there are so many fence sitters who make up their minds at the last minute, maybe if they knew for sure they were gonna be heading out to something special they wouldn't care so much about the cold... also, there have been so many psy parties on lately it is really spreading people out... you can't go to everything! (and some of these parties are probably also responsible for damaging the scene, which would have also affected psyfari numbers)
i love getting away from it all and being out in the bush all weekend, it is the best... so from a party goers point of view 3 day parties are the way to go... (also for the all the reasons stevo mentioned above; financial, travel, recovery, etc)
maybe we just need to change the way these parties are structured... people like to camp and socialize etc. so maybe the music should turn off for a while, like at regrowth... i thought at first that this was a shit idea, but it really brought the party together... everyone got plenty of time to actually talk to one another (without being off their heads)(this has to be a good thing for creating a strong doof community who will want to come back to future parties right??) and do their own thing while the music was off, and then when the music came back on everyone was fresh and keen as and ready to party. It worked great.
maybe when there are thousands of people attending these parties the music can blast for 3 days straight, but until then it would probably be a good idea to turn the music off for half the day??... Wow.. never thought id say that!!!! :shock:
this would have multiple benefits: thus being, the things i mentioned above (fresh party people on the dancefloor, bringing people together etc.) and also cut down on dj costs for promoters.. so maybe then ticket prices can come down too?? this too would help attract more people to the parties.

just me thinkin...
bio[diversity]
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^^^ what Stevo said, plus....

I like both one night and 3 day parties. It helps for a one night if it's closer to the city, but that can't always be done nowadays. So for a longer trek, a 3 dayer is better for me.

Everyone above has valid points for both, but i guess the biggest factor with small dancefloors at 3am is the cold factor, even in summer it gets cold in the mountains. And none of us are getting any younger... i need some sleep over the weekend or i'm a cranky old bugger come monday.

and if you have other activities other than the music, ie: tree planting, workshops, cinemas etc, it needs the extra time for everyone to be able to participate. A lot of people like the diversity of a longer festival, more kid friendly and different styles of entertainment.

Saying that, i'm really looking forward to Track 6 so i can go and just stomp around for hours !

A place for everything and everything in its place.

:atom:
Phsiris
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STEVONOISEMAKER wrote :
Interesting topic :)

another thing to consider I suppose is that the cost of running a party for one day compared to 3 days often isn’t much greater. You usually have to hire equipment, trucks, generators etc for the whole weekend anyway, so it’s mainly more fuel and more artists on the line up that need to be sorted to cover a longer timeframe. Plus various other resources which need to last the weekend like 1st aid, water, food etc, but yeah, not such a huge difference.

And if the price of the party for one day is the same as that of a 3 day people will complain and the number of people attending is normally limited by price as well.

Bent perception was a huge party as far a killer dance floor action goes. I think a big thing in making a multi day event is the musical lineup. Save the best for last. That way people go easy on the first night and then get to know and socialise with each other during the day because they arent all sideways from the night before and then the vibe normally tends to build from there.

3 day parties are awesome but anymore than that, you need a massive turnout to provide an environment that gives a decent dancefloor. There are just to many days with so much to do and its hard to sync up everyone at a party.
Even at rainbow the night time is alot more empty than the day and friends are all scattered with their party times over the days. Its just not as obviouse because the party does have around 10,000 people attending so there are always a decent amount of people out and about.

I dont like the idea of turning off sound systems, but thats just me. If you provide other activities as bio stated, that is normally more than enough for people to meet new faces and create an environment for normally makes the festival/party more sociable.
Satori
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Yeah, I know the cold is a factor for sure, it must have been nearly at freezing point when I played at psyfari but I have been to many parties in the middle of winter, or better yet, in the middle of winter in Melbourne, where the dancefloor has cranked. Hard to get cold when your dancing up a sweat.
venatrix
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Am I the only person who knows how to dress for the cold properly?

Unless you are wearing tech-fibre and/or woollen clothes you will literally freeze your arse off!

I can't tell you how many people have looked at me like I was mental for buying a pair of waterproof insulated ski boots (for $25!) and said something dumb like "but it doesn't snow in Sydney!" Uh yeah, but it does rain and it does get friggin cold. So while you are all whining about your cold wet feet, mine are dry and toasty warm!

If you go doofing in winter bringing thick woollen socks, sturdy waterproof shoes, merino or polypro thermals, woollen jumpers, woollen or tech-fibre jackets, and a beanie/gloves is just common sense.

Winter cold fatal to Aussies

Sydney and Perth residents are most likely to die of a heart attack in winter, while Tasmanians "cope best with the cold", a new study shows.

Researchers at the Queensland University of Technology (QUT) have warned that Australians in general fail to rug up sufficiently during the colder months, and the extra strain that places on the body could be fatal.

"We are not very good at protecting ourselves against the cold weather, we don't wear the right sort of clothes in winter and our homes are often not well insulated," said Dr Adrian Barnett, from QUT's Institute of Health and Biomedical Innovation.

"When the temperature goes below 19 degrees in Australia, the death rate from heart and circulatory problems goes up."

Dr Barnett said veins and arteries became constricted in the cold, causing an increase in blood pressure which placed extra stress on the heart and circulatory system.

This would exacerbate problems for people with pre-existing heart disease, he said.

Data showed that winter posed a greater health risk to Australians compared with the effect of frigid winters on people in countries like Finland and Sweden.

"We can easily cope with 30 degrees, which people in northern Europe cannot do, but we are very fragile creatures when the temperature drops, even if it is only around 15 degrees," Dr Barnett said.

"Perth and Sydney lead the country in winter heart-related deaths, and Tasmanians cope best with the cold because they are acclimatised to cooler weather."

He said Brisbane was not far behind Sydney for winter deaths, whereas the seasonal effect was not such an issue in Darwin "because it doesn't get so cold".

Dr Barnett said elderly people were particularly at risk because they were more frail and their perception of the cold could fade, leaving them unknowingly exposed.

Adding extra layers of clothing - such as thermals, hats, gloves and slippers - was the solution and not cranking up the heater, he also said.

"Preventing heart-related deaths in the next few months could be as simple as putting on a hat and gloves, because the peak season for cardiovascular deaths is upon us," Dr Barnett said.

"Indoor heaters are not the answer. People tend to heat just one room and when they move to other rooms they get cold."
Satori
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^^ :exactly: ^^
herbsandspices
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These days even if there are artists I want to see playing both nights, I would rather just go for one night of a 3 dayer. Over here is there is an alternative pricing structure if you want to go for the one night out of 2, which works for lots of people.

Last weekend I missed seeing Jaia on account of only wanting to go for one night, but got to see Stellar Magnitude from poland who kicked some serious ass.

Anyway, I largely put this down to old age. I am still fukn sore from one night.
simon
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yes, concentrate the energy of a party into one night/one dance floor/one mind, shared by all.
susan
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simon wrote :
yes, concentrate the energy of a party into one night/one dance floor/one mind, shared by all.


boom!
ATREYU
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I want a week long party. Time just goes so fast now. It takes me 2 days to feel at home at a party.

+ The dancefloors aren't rockin because we're all lazy ass pedantic Dj's/Artsists/etc with our own refined specific genre tastes. Back in 2001 none of us new what Progressive or dark Psy or etc was. It was all psytrance all doof all psychedelic. Parties now try to please everyone with the varying styles, yet it means the dancefloor moves in shifts.

It can't be helped. I've noticed these days that the peak of a party is 10pm to 2am most people r asleep come sunrise these days.

I think the scene has gone soft. Psychovsky had less than 100 people. Those that were there were hardly dancin. People just stand around with their beer and bob their head.

We just need to make more effort as individuals to smash it up on the dancefloor. We feed of each others energy, and if noones dancing it feels weird to bust out on your own, so people shy away.

Just smash it up yo.

p.s Bent perception this year was rockin.
venatrix
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ATREYU wrote :
I want a week long party. Time just goes so fast now. It takes me 2 days to feel at home at a party.


Try smoking less fucking marijuana :arrow: :idea:
ionized
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Just because you build it, does not mean they will come.

I agree, the energy is very rarely there throughout the night and into the dawn. I've seen screaming sets, otherworldly lighting and mind blowing decor... but empty, empty dance floors. There are a lot of new people in the scene and I think they are still figuring out how to pace it and why they are there... There are also a lot of old people in the scene that are just gettin a bit tired of the [12 hour neural stripping till dawn] dance...

Still doesn't explain why people can't be farked to rise at 6am for the dawn... that was always the primo time.

And I agree with Rory's sentiment of 'don't just fill the lineup with yer mates'. It's nice for new people to get a shot, but the proponderance of 1 hour sets from guys that are just playing bang bang full on is worrying.

Also... please... no more debstep/ glitch/ gypsie shit at midnight. Its not cool, or kitch, or ironic.... it never was. Try and keep set programming relevant. Remember... its meant to be a psychedelic journey (it works) ... not a hoe down...
ionized
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ATREYU wrote :
I think the scene has gone soft. Psychovsky had less than 100 people. Those that were there were hardly dancin. People just stand around with their beer and bob their head.




I don't recall seeing you ripping it up there... :wink:

Just saying... :killah:
VJ DAMAGE
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Satori wrote :
put more thought into the flow of the line up and stop just throwing your mates on to dj a mish mash of styles.



ionized wrote :
And I agree with Rory's sentiment of 'don't just fill the lineup with yer mates'. It's nice for new people to get a shot, but the proponderance of 1 hour sets from guys that are just playing bang bang full on is worrying.

Also... please... no more debstep/ glitch/ gypsie shit at midnight. Its not cool, or kitch, or ironic.... it never was. Try and keep set programming relevant. Remember... its meant to be a psychedelic journey (it works) ... not a hoe down...



+1
bjclhb
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VJ DAMAGE wrote :
Satori wrote :
put more thought into the flow of the line up and stop just throwing your mates on to dj a mish mash of styles.



ionized wrote :
And I agree with Rory's sentiment of 'don't just fill the lineup with yer mates'. It's nice for new people to get a shot, but the proponderance of 1 hour sets from guys that are just playing bang bang full on is worrying.

Also... please... no more debstep/ glitch/ gypsie shit at midnight. Its not cool, or kitch, or ironic.... it never was. Try and keep set programming relevant. Remember... its meant to be a psychedelic journey (it works) ... not a hoe down...



+1


+2
tripn
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Satori wrote :
The track party is exactly the sort of party we need right now.
My first doof was an e.p.p party and it was magic, the dancefloor was amazing, the atmosphere was so beautiful and it was this party that made me fall in love with doofs.



:)


ATREYU wrote :
+ The dancefloors aren't rockin because we're all lazy ass pedantic Dj's/Artsists/etc with our own refined specific genre tastes. Back in 2001 none of us new what Progressive or dark Psy or etc was. It was all psytrance all doof all psychedelic. Parties now try to please everyone with the varying styles, yet it means the dancefloor moves in shifts.


true dat. but the music was way better then too. :P
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